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stui magpie 
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| watt price tully wrote: | | John Wren wrote: | | drugs have always been an issue. |
That's true and it is also true that drugs & alcohol have always been a problem too. |
But alcohol is legal.
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Mr. Burns
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| WarrenerraW wrote: | Either:
1. a player has leaked the info to the media.
2. an official has leaked the info to the media.
3. another club has leaked the info to the media.
4. the afl has leaked the info to the media. Or,
5. someone involved in the testing program has leaked the info to the media.
This is supposed to be confidential information and yet it's made public. How is this allowed to happen. We better not have a rat within our ranks. The players have every right to feel betrayed at the moment. After all, they took the tests on the condition of anonymity and there's no way they'd be feeling at all anonymous. |
Exactly. Collingwood should immediately ask the AFL to investigate where the leak came from. But we all know they won't. If this is the case then we should not participate in any more"confidential" programs that the AFL run.
Also, the person that wrote the article should be subpoenaed to reveal where he received his information.
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Pies4shaw 
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Hear, hear! |
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Piesnchess
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| partypie wrote: | | just on the matter of the source of the leak - where does Robbo spend every waking moment? |
SURE you dont mean every wanking moment. 
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Seriously Ed, under a Bus, is that all?
Try again...surely you are NOT gullible. Your brand is the Collingwood supporters!!!
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Culprit 
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| Mr. Burns wrote: | | WarrenerraW wrote: | Either:
1. a player has leaked the info to the media.
2. an official has leaked the info to the media.
3. another club has leaked the info to the media.
4. the afl has leaked the info to the media. Or,
5. someone involved in the testing program has leaked the info to the media.
This is supposed to be confidential information and yet it's made public. How is this allowed to happen. We better not have a rat within our ranks. The players have every right to feel betrayed at the moment. After all, they took the tests on the condition of anonymity and there's no way they'd be feeling at all anonymous. |
Exactly. Collingwood should immediately ask the AFL to investigate where the leak came from. But we all know they won't. If this is the case then we should not participate in any more"confidential" programs that the AFL run.
Also, the person that wrote the article should be subpoenaed to reveal where he received his information. |
My perception judging by AFL players not Collingwood being interviewed and asked the question is they are not happy that the details have come out. |
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partypie
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| Piesnchess wrote: | | partypie wrote: | | just on the matter of the source of the leak - where does Robbo spend every waking moment? |
SURE you dont mean every wanking moment. |
It's possible given his love for the red and black |
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watt price tully 
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| stui magpie wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | John Wren wrote: | | drugs have always been an issue. |
That's true and it is also true that drugs & alcohol have always been a problem too. |
But alcohol is legal. |
Drinking too much on a single occasion or over time can take a serious toll on your health. Heres how alcohol can affect your body:
Brain:
Alcohol interferes with the brains communication pathways, and can affect the way the brain looks and works. These disruptions can change mood and behavior, and make it harder to think clearly and move with coordination.
Heart:
Drinking a lot over a long time or too much on a single occasion can damage the heart, causing problems including:
Cardiomyopathy Stretching and drooping of heart muscle
Arrhythmias Irregular heart beat
Stroke
High blood pressure
Research also shows that drinking moderate amounts of alcohol may protect healthy adults from developing coronary heart disease.
Liver:
Heavy drinking takes a toll on the liver, and can lead to a variety of problems and liver inflammations including:
Steatosis, or fatty liver
Alcoholic hepatitis
Fibrosis
Cirrhosis
Pancreas:
Alcohol causes the pancreas to produce toxic substances that can eventually lead to pancreatitis, a dangerous inflammation and swelling of the blood vessels in the pancreas that prevents proper digestion.
Cancer:
Drinking too much alcohol can increase your risk of developing certain cancers, including cancers of the:
Mouth
Esophagus
Throat
Liver
Breast
Immune System:
Drinking too much can weaken your immune system, making your body a much easier target for disease. Chronic drinkers are more liable to contract diseases like pneumonia and tuberculosis than people who do not drink too much. Drinking a lot on a single occasion slows your bodys ability to ward off infections even up to 24 hours after getting drunk.
SHORT-TERM EFFECTS OF ALCOHOL
Depending on how much is taken and the physical condition of the individual, alcohol can cause:
Slurred speech
Drowsiness
Vomiting
Diarrhoea
Upset stomach
Headaches
Breathing difficulties
Distorted vision and hearing
Impaired judgment
Decreased perception and coordination
Unconsciousness
Anemia (loss of red blood cells)
Coma
Blackouts (memory lapses, where the drinker cannot remember events that occurred while under the influence)
LONG-TERM EFFECTS OF ALCOHOL
Binge drinking and continued alcohol use in large amounts are associated with many health problems, including:
Unintentional injuries such as car crash, falls, burns, drowning
Intentional injuries such as firearm injuries, sexual assault, domestic violence
Increased on-the-job injuries and loss of productivity
Increased family problems, broken relationships
Alcohol poisoning
High blood pressure, stroke, and other heart-related diseases
Liver disease
Nerve damage
Sexual problems
Permanent damage to the brain
Vitamin B1 deficiency, which can lead to a disorder characterized by amnesia, apathy and disorientation
Ulcers
Gastritis (inflammation of stomach walls)
Malnutrition
Cancer of the mouth and throat
http://www.drugfreeworld.org/drugfacts/alcohol/short-term-long-term-effects.html
Carry on drinking then, alcohol is legal & fine 
Or come & join me in NITS that is, the Nicks Information & Temperance Society & if Jarred joins us we can be NITWITTS
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stui magpie
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I'll drink to that.
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^ hmmm that is all true WPT however at least you know what is in the alcohol product you buy from the shops and most buy their booze from shops not dodgy home brewers!
Nothing like watching someone in ICU hosing blood from every imaginable orrifice including their eyes as a result of taking a tainted illicit drug just once.
Or viewing a vegetative growth on the heart valves of someone who has injected drugs laced with talcum powder or kitty litter and knowing that person is well and truly fcked!
Yep true you only have to get really pissed once to do massive damage - drink driving, violence, aspiration etc.
It's not an either or for me - yep alcohol does massive damage if abused no question - but illicit drugs can do massive damage or kill with just one tab (cause who the fck knows what is actually in it) - that doesn't happen with just one drink - let alone the fact that people expose themselves to scumbags of the highest order who peddle this illicit shit!
And having run a detox unit - bloody lot easier to detox from booze than drugs especially metaphetamines and benzos - we shouldn't excuse it as recreational and a lifestyle choice of no consequence.
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| Are they exactly the same? That which is not outside the alcohol product you buy from the shops and most buy their booze from shops not dodgy home brewers. |
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stui magpie
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| Morrigu wrote: | ^ hmmm that is all true WPT however at least you know what is in the alcohol product you buy from the shops and most buy their booze from shops not dodgy home brewers!
Nothing like watching someone in ICU hosing blood from every imaginable orrifice including their eyes as a result of taking a tainted illicit drug just once.
Or viewing a vegetative growth on the heart valves of someone who has injected drugs laced with talcum powder or kitty litter and knowing that person is well and truly fcked!
Yep true you only have to get really pissed once to do massive damage - drink driving, violence, aspiration etc.
It's not an either or for me - yep alcohol does massive damage if abused no question - but illicit drugs can do massive damage or kill with just one tab (cause who the fck knows what is actually in it) - that doesn't happen with just one drink - let alone the fact that people expose themselves to scumbags of the highest order who peddle this illicit shit!
And having run a detox unit - bloody lot easier to detox from booze than drugs especially metaphetamines and benzos - we shouldn't excuse it as recreational and a lifestyle choice of no consequence. |
Goddamn, I'm gonna buy you a drink next time I see you.
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David 
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Joined: 27 Jul 2003
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| Morrigu wrote: | ^ hmmm that is all true WPT however at least you know what is in the alcohol product you buy from the shops and most buy their booze from shops not dodgy home brewers!
Nothing like watching someone in ICU hosing blood from every imaginable orrifice including their eyes as a result of taking a tainted illicit drug just once.
Or viewing a vegetative growth on the heart valves of someone who has injected drugs laced with talcum powder or kitty litter and knowing that person is well and truly fcked!
Yep true you only have to get really pissed once to do massive damage - drink driving, violence, aspiration etc.
It's not an either or for me - yep alcohol does massive damage if abused no question - but illicit drugs can do massive damage or kill with just one tab (cause who the fck knows what is actually in it) - that doesn't happen with just one drink - let alone the fact that people expose themselves to scumbags of the highest order who peddle this illicit shit!
And having run a detox unit - bloody lot easier to detox from booze than drugs especially metaphetamines and benzos - we shouldn't excuse it as recreational and a lifestyle choice of no consequence. |
But we shouldn't be talking as if all illegal drugs are ice. Marijuana is still very much illegal, and it has none of those effects. For all we know, that's all that most of these players took.
Similarly, ecstasy and LSD can have negative consequences, but neither of them are as dangerous as the heavy stuff. And possibly less dangerous than alcohol, all things considered. Even cocaine can be taken in moderation (not that I'd advise it!).
Happy to have a discussion on the dangers of drug abuse, but let's not be alarmist about this or conflate the worst drugs with the rest of them.
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John Wren 
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
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^ do you know what ingredients go into making ecstacy and lsd? ecstacy is created with toxic chemicals that include household cleaners. lsd is a chemical concoction of a different sort. they're no different to the powdered substances. the long term mental and physical effects can be found on the web.
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